When it comes to breeders, I somewhat understand why so many religious folk hold the defective defense that it’s morally acceptable: their vile, despicable gods command them to do it. When it comes to atheists, however, they have no sort of adequate defense whatsoever.
I still just really don’t understand how atheists (and that includes atheistic religions such as Buddhism) can justify reproduction. I’ve heard a number of defenses for it, all of which I find defective. Here are some common ones and my responses to them:
“It’s a natural desire.”
Response: So if I have a natural desire to kill people that makes it acceptable?
“With religious families having so many kids, somebody’s got to have atheist kids.”
Response: That’s rather narcissistic.
“With so many stupid people having kids, somebody’s got to have smart kids.”
Response: Sorry, but just because you’re smarter than average doesn’t mean your kid will be. Also, see above.
“Even atheists have to experience the love of a child.”
Response: So that’s a justification for imposing existence and the harms thereof on an individual who did not give his or her consent to being brought into the world? Just goes to show that having children is at least as, and probably a far more selfish choice than choosing not to have them.
“We’ll go extinct if someone doesn’t have children.”
Response: You can’t give any sort of justification for why that is an inherently bad thing. I know it might be an uncomfortable thought to you Pollyanna types, but we will go extinct one of these days, and long before the world as we know it comes to an end.
There are some others, but that’s the most common of the ones I hear. Concerning Buddhism and similar religions who believe in the ridiculous notion of reincarnation, I would argue that the only way to break the cycle (which is the end goal of Buddhism) is to stop having children and making souls be reborn. If we do that, such would effectively end the cycle of Samsara (rebirth) and force the final and end-goal state of Moksha (escape from Samsara).
…before one of the worst events of my life is going to take place.
My sister is now starting her third trimester of pregnancy. Barring the fact that subjecting new, non-consenting individuals to the horrible thing that is an earthly existence can only be described as the supreme act of evil, she’s way too young and immature for a child. She’s probably the most irresponsible person I know. Further, she can’t afford a damn kid and is instead going to be a government mooch when the child is born. Typical entitled liberal welfare mongers, that all she and her fiancé are, and they don’t really care to better themselves (both are college dropouts with no ambitions of any sort of decent career).
Anyway, if she knew what was good for her she would have terminated the pregnancy and if she just insists on having a kid later training for a decent paying career. Alas, she let her delusional Pollyanna emotions get the better of her and she has absolutely no idea what she’s getting herself into.
Alas, I’ve already established strict boundaries. I will not in any way help her care for her kid. I will not go over to her place when the kid isn’t in school or daycare, ever. Her kid is not allowed in my house, ever. I don’t mind dogsitting for her, but babysitting is out of the question. I will not be present at the baby shower (not that men ever go to those things), I will not get her any sort of a gift, nor will I visit her in the hospital after giving birth.
Perhaps this will cause her to completely write me out of her life. That’s perfectly OK with me. The past few months have been difficult on our relationship anyway (after I suggested she have an abortion and suggested she read Benatar, neither of which she gave any thought and told me I needed psychiatric help).
People say depression is an illness. I disagree. Depression is a sign of a highly-developed and rational mind which sees the world for what it really is: a horrible place full of conflict, war, disease and famine. If anything should be classified as a mental illness, it’s optimism. Optimism is irrational. Optimism is delusion. Pessimism is realism.
Yeah, I’m still alive unfortunately. Hopefully not too much longer.
Alas, I just had to do a blog about this fucking disgusting ad by Kmart/Joe Boxer. It features five late-stage pregnant women dancing to the song “Santa Baby.” If you haven’t seen it, here you go. Prepare to gouge your eyes out.
Nothing makes me madder than the media glorifying the act of forcing new, non-consenting individuals to the unfortunate state of existence. It’s fucking morally repulsive. That’s five new people who will be forced into existence against their wills to experience all the horror, pain, suffering, and all that other bullshit that make existence so bad.
Pregnancy should not be glamorized. It should be shunned, and the men who get these women pregnant should fucking have their testicles cut off without anesthesia. They’re just as guilty as the women who carry and give birth to these new individuals.
Now, publicly airing abortions on live TV, and/or showing women who were glad they had abortions (I know several myself)? That would be something I could get behind. Abortion is a moral and just choice, especially when compared to bringing a new individual into existence.
Anyway, I digress. Shame on Kmart and Joe Boxer for this disgusting commercial. Nothing like feeding and glorifying breeder culture.
The following books should be required reading in all schools all around the world:
*Better Never to Have Been: The Harm of Coming into Existence (David Benatar)
*Conspiracy Against the Human Race: A Contrivance of Horror (Thomas Ligotti)
*The Trouble with Being Born (Emil Cioran)
*Confessions of an Antinatalist (Jim Crawford)
This is a short list, but I believe if, after reading all of these books, you’re still a pronatalist and/or a Pollyanna, you’re a fucking idiot. That’s all there is to it.
There is no such thing as joy. There’s no such thing as love. There’s no such thing as happiness, pleasure, heaven, whatever. None of that crap actually exists.
What does actually exist is reality and all the unpleasantness of it. The only things that truly exist are pain, suffering, illness, and misery. To say otherwise is to be completely and totally delusional, yet we’re somehow genetically programmed to continue the cycle of badness and suffering, and what the fuck for?
There is no good in life. There are only differing degrees of bad, so why would you subject new individuals to the badness that is life? To make you feel less bad about your life (by somehow filling a so-called “need”)? What a fucking joke.
I just want to make a quick clarification to the previous post, in case some misconstrue my words.
Please don’t assume that I’m saying there’s insufficient evidence to absolutely prove that it’s better never to exist. As far as I’m concerned the Benatarian Asymmetry effectively dismantles any and all arguments in favor of pronatalism and there is an abundance of other evidence that clearly demonstrates non-existence is preferable to existence. That said, even if such a thing didn’t exist (or, as is the case, that many people don’t find it convincing), it’s still up to the pronatalist to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that existence is better than non-existence. If this were a statistics problem, the statement “better never to have been” is the null hypothesis, and the null hypothesis is always assumed true until proven false. Hence it’s up to the life-affirming individual to demonstrate why existence is a benefit over non-existence, and not the other way around.
Think of it this way: in the whole theism/atheism debate, it is up to the theist to prove the existence of god, rather than the atheist to prove the non-existence of god. “No god” is obviously the null hypothesis. Yes, there’s an abundance of evidence that outright suggests the non-existence of god, but even if there wasn’t, it’s still up to the theist to absolutely prove god exists.
I hope that clears things up.
Interesting discussion with my sister.
It’s no secret I’m morally opposed to the creation of new life. Everyone who knows me and even most who don’t know me but have read my letters to the editor and such know that. The way I see it it’s better to never exist at all than to exist and have any part of that existence, however small, be unpleasant (for the record: I also disagree with Tennyson, I believe it’s better never to have loved at all).
That’s when it occurred to me, however, that the burden of proof doesn’t lie with me or any of the other antinatalist philosophers or lay people. The burden of proof lies upon the pronatalist camp. It’s not up to us to definitively prove that non-existence is better than existence, but rather it is their task to definitively prove that it is better to exist and therefore justify the imposition of life upon another new living being (life is an imposition since we were given no choice in the matter).
Alas, that is a burden of proof that is impossible to meet. Simply being Pollyanna-ish and saying “well I’m glad to be alive” doesn’t cut it. That’s not definitive proof. That’s emotional appeal. There are just as many (if not more) people out there who don’t particularly enjoy being alive, and further even if you do enjoy being alive that’s no guarantee your offspring will.
It seems to me the safest course of action is not to impose life upon any new beings. Non-existence can’t possibly be bad. At worst non-existence has a completely neutral value. On the other hand, existence can’t be definitely proven to have any sort of positive value.
.,.why rapists in Belgium apparently have more rights than law-abiding citizens?
So a brutal rapists who by all means deserves prolonged suffering for his transgressions gets to be euthanized, but someone like me who’s done nothing wrong and is tired of existing can’t be? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME, BELGIUM????
Oh well, I say give him what he wants anyway. Life is shit and I believe it’s the right of all individuals, regardless of what kind of life they’ve lived, to die a peaceful and painless death. It’s not this man’s euthanasia I oppose, but rather the fat that they won’t grant the same thing to law-abiding citizens.
So I come back here to vent some frustrations even though I said I wouldn’t be posting here anymore. As it is, Dignitas outright denied me (fuck those sorry bureaucratic pieces of shit) so I guess I might have a few more posts left in me, though I’m not entirely sure this one won’t push me over the edge to try to find some pretty sure-fire ways to take matters into my own hands so to speak.
I had a feeling this day would come eventually, but it’s finally come and it is UGLY. Here’s a re-broadcast of a little post I just posted to the best Facebook group in the history of Facebook groups:
Oh god. Here we go.
I just found out my chain-smoking (both pot and cigs), binge drinking and highly pro-life Pollyanna pronatalist baby rabid younger sister is fucking pregnant. She and her thug boyfriend are due next winter/spring and they insist on keeping it. It’s bad enough they’re bringing a new individual into existence but worse that she foesnt have the willpower to lay off her substances for even a day. Case in point that is going to be one fucked up kid and I’m supposed to be supportive and civil about it?
Oh the agony…
Seriously. My sister is about the most fucking irresponsible person I know. She abuses substances; her stupid, abusive, black thug boyfriend fucking sucks and she’s too blind to see it all while being a delusional Pollyanna life-affirming idiot.
I feel absolutely sick to my stomach. I’m so horrified that she not only insists on committing the supreme act of evil (procreation) but also insists on drinking and smoking cigarettes and pot while pregnant because lord knows she isn’t mentally strong enough to lay off of it for even a day.
I am beyond angry right now. The only solace I take is that I won’t be imposing the unfortunate state of existence on anyone myself. I’m angry and I feel so sorry for the individual who is not only going to be brought into existence against its will, but in all likelihood who is going to be completely fucked up mentally and physically because of her substance abuse problem.
Fuck her and her sorry piece of shit boyfriend…
I tried to post a comment “in my own defense” on the LJ page because of the venom that they spewed toward me on there, but the comments are restricted so I’ll post that comment here:
I tracked this back in my “stats” and I just felt the need to come here and post a common sort of an “in my own defense” kind of thing.
For those that have wondered, I have a number of both mental and physical ailments that make life intolerable at best. I’m autistic and have antisocial personality disorder, one or the other would be enough to incapacitate me from being able to maintain a job long-term but the both of them together make it to where I couldn’t hold down a job to save my life. On top of all of that, I have chronic cluster headaches, Graves’ disease, wolff-parkinson-white syndrome, among other things.
I have no doubt I qualify under “unbearable and uncontrollable pain” due to chronic cluster headaches alone but this combined with everything else I think easily makes the case for “life-long incapacitating disability” as required by Dignitas to qualify for their services (as mentioned, one does not need to be terminally ill to qualify). I have made this decision after exhausting all other known options.
I don’t pass judgment upon those who wish to continue living once in existence, so all I ask is that you don’t pass judgment on my decision to end my life. Thank you.